What are the costs and lasting effects of a state government shutdown? MIRS sits down with government policy lawyer Steve Liedel, who was Gov. Jennifer Granholm's legal counsel. The last time the government shutdown was during Granholm's administration (1:00).

Also, MIRS talks to former state Representative Kurt Heise, a Plymouth Republican backing Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan's independent bid for governor. Heise hopes the Michigan GOP doesn't take the same approach as the state's Democratic Party by targeting pro-Duggan party members (19:45).

Additionally, MIRS takes a virtual trip out-of-state to Texas, speaking with Andy Fish, Managing Partner of Texas Legislative Service, trying to better understand how mid-decade redistricting efforts became the latest Trump White House controversy (40:30).